Saturday, April 09, 2005

Anti-Japanese demonstration

Some pictures and my account from the anti-Japanese demonstration here in Beijing this Saturday.

We came to the Hailong Dasha at Zhongguanzun at around 9.30am. At that time there were perhaps 200 students shouting and holding banners. The front entrances were closed and the shops close to the exits were cleared of Japanese products. After watching for a while we made the first stop at McDonalds for some breakfast. There we encountered the one of the foreign journalist typing on his computer. There were half a dozen of them outside.

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10:50 am
抵制日货振兴中华 - "boycott Japanese goods, promote China"

The whole thing was very well documented by spectators and protesters, mostly with cameras such as Sony, Canon, Panasonic etc. That didn't seem to bother anyone. My pictures were taken by an excellent 5.0M Sony Powershot. :)

When we came out from McDonalds the students were marching around out side the building, perhaps a hundred of them while a larger crowd was watching. Some police were walking in the front constantly communicating with the front row. Most other police were mostly just staying around enjoying the sun, like most spectators.

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12.03 pm 中关村大街 Zhongguancun Dajie, just outside 人附高中.

Some torn advertisements of Canon Powershot. Some torn advertisement, a hole in the panel of a small branch of a Japanese bank, and the stones at the embassy was all vandalism I saw, and I think that covers it all in this aspect.

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12.05 pm 中关村大街 Zhongguancun Dajie, just outside 人附高中.

全国人民团结起来, 坚决抵制日货
"The people of the whole country! Unite and rise! Firmly boycott Japanese goods!"

The police was gathering groups that were coming from Peking University's west gate and the students that had been protesting at Zhongguancun. After standing around for a little while they started marching towards the embassy.

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Dog dressed up with anti-Japanese slogans.

An annoying person came up and shook my hand, thanking me for my support, while I was clearly just standing and watching and taking pictures with my Japanese camers. After that I tried to walk with a distance from the crown, no wanting to become any foreign mascot for this hateful parade. I did see a white guy who did walk in the protest all the way, though looking rather confusing. Just to the right of him was the banner with "Kill all Japanese pigs". I doubt that he supported that claim.

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3.06pm Marching along 东四十条

These guys at the front were constantly told by the police when to stop, when to walk etc. The march was at this point confined to one side of the street with policemen casually walking in front of them and 20-25 police minivans tightly following them. Almost all protesters were students. On the other side of the road people stopped and cheered and honked their horns in their cars.
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誓死保卫钓鱼岛
Pledge one's life to defend the Diaoyu islands.
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3.35 pm 东四十条桥

日货滚出中国
杀光日本猪
Japanese goods get out of China!
Kill all Japanese pigs! (!!!)

This sign was held just a few rows after the front row, right in front of the police. I think that kind of statement would (and should) lead to a prison sentence where I come from.

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4.49pm At the Japanese embassy.

There were a constant flow of empty plastic bottles and chants, for example asking for the ambassador to come out and apologize.

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5:02pm Outside the embassy.

Some stones were thrown, smashing the window to the guard house to the left in the picture. The embassy was sealed off by layers of riot-gear equipped guards. They were never challenged in any way by the protesters and police were casually walking among the protesters and even the stone throwers! It is pretty sad to see police standing by watching. They could very easily stop this by just telling them to. I personal estimate of the people outside the embassy would be around thousand, not more.

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Sign with Japanese brands (some mistaken) and demands to leave the Diaoyu islands.

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A guy climbs up to a tree, chanting slogans and waving a flag.

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6.01 pm 建国门大外街 Jianguomen Dawaijie

The students gets into busses and go back to their Universities. Half an hour later the place was basically cleared. The students left voluntarily without fuzz.

Me and Wen went to have some food and rest our tired legs before taking the subway back to Wudaokou.

Since it is not everyday I watch something that makes the front pages of the international press I find it interesting to compare their reporting with my own impression. My only complaint would be that when it is a large focus on the smashed window, therefore sounding more aggressive than it actually was. This is also the case when it comes to the reported numbers, often citing the highest numbers available, while this was not a very large demonstration.

31 comments:

Anonymous said...

Just lob nuclear bombs over Japan and get on with it!

Anonymous said...

Well, I would have thought the anger would have been better directed at Chairman Mao and I was interested to see he was featured in the demonstration. He probably killed 20-30X more Chinese than the Japanese could ever have dreamed of.

Anonymous said...

20-30X more? Do you have facts to back this up or did you just pull numbers out of a hat?

Anonymous said...

No, it wasn't pulled out of a hat, though my earlier posting was by memory. Here are some statistics to back up my statement with the source.

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm

Chinese sources put the number of Chinese killed at 300,000. However, even if accepted, this would include soldiers killed in battle. It would seem by reviewing the sources, the number of civilians killed by Japanese in the revelant time would be in the range of 200,000.
This same site puts the number killed by Chairman Mao and his policies during the most murderous point in human history at anywhere from 30,000,000 to 67,000,000, though the median would seem to be 41,000,000 or so (and China wonders why Taiwan doesn't want to join China!!!). And don't forget to add the 2,000,000 or so Chinese executed by Mao's forces between 1945 and 1949 because they weren't Communists and a lesser number killed for the same reason in the 1930's. Oh, don't forget to add Tibetans killed in 1950-1959, about 800,000, and those killed since then at about 400,000. So, I do stand by my previous comparison.
And one more point...I wonder what the Chinese school textbooks say about Chairman Mao's savagery, the purging of minorities, the occupation of Tibet, etc. I suspect these war crimes are more glossed over than even the most ardent Japanese nationalist could imagine about Japanese war crimes.

Anonymous said...

mao is dead, what do you want to do with a dead man.
the demonstrations are about encroaching japanese nationalistic extremism. what does mao have to do with that?

Johan said...

Thx for an interesting link. Rather depressing reading though. The stuff that should be learnt from history. Now it looks more and more like this part of Asia are moving towards new disasters.

Seems that the older generation in both China and Japan haven't given the young generation much chance to learn. since they don't tell them their history.

dan said...

To the person (anonymous, in the best Chinese tradition!) who accuses Japan of extreme nationalism, presumably based on the textbook scandal and other aspects, here's an unusually good article by the SCMP written on April 7 by Julian Ryall in Tokyo.
Note the tiny perecentage of schools which have taken up the book (0.03%)
"Confronted with criticism from China and South Korea over the nationalist New History Textbook, the Japanese government yesterday defended its right to decide what the country's students should learn.

"This criticism has happened before, with China and South Korea upset at one of the four books that were authorised four years ago, and it's the same case now," said Akira Chiba, a spokesman for the Foreign Ministry in Tokyo.

"Changes have been made to the book, and these criticisms do not seem to address the fact that the authorisation system is a case of freedom of speech and democracy. Even if the books are authorised, it is still up to individual schools and education authorities whether to use them or not."

Despite the aim of the Japanese Society for History Textbook Reform to have its book in 10 per cent of junior high schools across Japan, the rate of uptake of the book's 2001 edition was a mere 0.03 per cent.

But that fact, and 124 government-ordered revisions for its 2005 edition, have not cooled tempers.

The revised version no longer states that Japan's annexation of the Korean Peninsula was "accepted by some people in Korea," but its new choice of phrase to describe the Nanking Massacre - "a large number of fatalities and casualties among Chinese soldiers and civilians were caused by the Japanese military" - still does not go far enough, according to the critics. Chinese historians believe that well over 300,000 perished in the Imperial Japanese Army's rampage.

The comment that Japan went to war against other Asian nations to ensure its "self-existence and self-defence" has been rewritten to state that the invasions were to "secure resources", while the term "comfort women" to describe civilians forced into prostitution for the military does not appear at all.

Instead, students will learn that "young women from Korea and other parts of Asia were assembled and sent to the battlefield for Japanese soldiers".

However, much space is given over to the abduction of Japanese nationals by North Korean agents, and it is stated that South Korea is "illegally occupying" the Tokdo Islands, which Japan calls the Takeshimas.

The Yomiuri newspaper defended the revisions - including the dropping of the phrase "comfort women" and the assertion of sovereignty over the Takeshima Islands. It said any effort to stop the books being adopted "should be regarded as interference in the internal affairs of Japan".

While the diplomatic spat over the book is just the latest of many, there are fears this one may have a lasting impact.

Noriko Hama, a professor at Doshisha University, Kyoto, said: "It looks to me as if the whole of Japan has taken a step to the right, and it's based on the mistaken conception that Japan needs to be more assertive in the way it deals with the world and speak its mind."

Anonymous said...

Yes, Chairman Mao is, indeed dead, though he managed to dispatch about 50,000,000 of his compatriots to a premature grave before he did die.

It seems your argument is that since Mao is now dead, we should not discuss his atrocities? Using that test, assuming that about 99.99% of the Japanese soldiers involved in the Nanking Massacre are also dead, should we then forget about the Nanking Massacre?

But, my earlier point is that Chairman Mao was portrayed in the demonstation and that the demonstrators' anger should properly be directed toward him. Since the demonstration was, ostenibly, about revisions in Japanese school textbooks (which the earlier posting indicates are largely unread), I am also wondering aloud what the Chinese school textbooks say about the atrocities committed by Chairman Mao or by the Chinese government in the past. Do the textbooks acknowledge that the UN has stated the Chinese occupation of Tibet to be illegal?

Anonymous said...

Address to Anonymous poster #4. It is quite convenient to only mention the nanjing massacre alone while ignoring oh say the rest of China circa 1937-1945. The total civilian casualties during the war climb up to 10,000,000 by some estimates. Still a fraction of Mao's, but nothing nearly so disparate as you would have us assume. Maybe you should award the Japanese a gold star for effort!

All that being said, it doesn't make the Chinese claims or anger any less valid, it just makes it somewhat hypocritical. Then again, find me one man or one nation who isn't or hasn't and I'll eat my hat.

As for any so-called purging of minorities. I've found that detractors often find it easier to inflate the scope of China's crimes(or make them up, hey at least you are learning from the commies). The 800,000 killed in Tibet between 1950-1959 would be rather shocking, considering that the TAR as of a 1950 barely had a population of a million and there was little more than 2 million Tibetans in the world. Tibetans would have had to breed like rabbits to recover a near 40% population decrease considering there are over 5 million Tibetans today. Rather difficult considering that China, as all good FreeTibet believers know, is systemtically sterilizing and forceing abortion on Tibetan women.

Seitaro Kanamaru said...

Are you a real Swedish boy ?
I think Garbo, old actress name, isn't funny. I talk to you, thinking really you are a Chinese ? Your photo isn't real ?

I really want many Asian people to know real Mind-control.

Rravda, a Russian major media, shows science technology "Mind-control" is real. (I am not a communist.)

"Mind control: The Zombie Effect" (Nov 10, 2004).
http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/379/14567_.html
- "Methods of latent impact on the human psyche are no longer secret.", Russian scientist Dr. Igor Smirnov spoke out for World Peace.

"Psychic security department protects Russian presidents from external psychological influence" (Jan 6, 2005)
http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/90/362/14790_psychic.html
- Former Russian President Boris Yeltsin had Federal Security Service against Mind-Control. Americans have created radiators of modulated signals, which control people's behavior thousands of kilometers from afar.

"JOHN FLEMING: THE SHOCKING MENACE OF SATELLITE SURVEILLANCE FULL VERSION OF THE ARTICLE" (Jul 14, 2001)
http://english.pravda.ru/main/2001/07/14/10131.html
- Mr. John Fleming is an American journalist. He is the author of "The War of All Against All" : An Analysis of Conflict in Society (International Scholars Publications, 2000).


Any Japanese major press doesn't inform real Mind-control and many Japanese wrongly think Mind-control is a religious thing.

Even S. Korean politicians didn't know real Mind-control ? Because S. Korea licenses to use Toshiba's Mbsat in S. Korea.


Especially Korean people should know Koreans can easily be mind-controlled from Toshiba's Mbsat and Mbsat stations not to save Dokdo Islands. And Korean must refuse Toshiba's Mbsat. Shimane Prefecture, Japan, not Toshiba mason spy PM Koizumi, put Torishima (Dokdo Islands) Problem between Korea and Japan on the board in Mar 2005.

Toshiba persons are crazy and then they watch, hear and mind-control Koreans as they do to Japanese in Japan.

Japanese PM Junichiro Koizumi is the one of Toshiba "mason" spy because he was a hero from the beginning of his government. He got Japanese civilians' hearts as a Korean actor (Pe Yon-jung) did. (The both are exactly Toshiba's absurd business.)

N. Korean leader Kim Jong Il was also mind-controlled on Sep 17, 2002 by NTT Docomo's satellite N-Star-C to say yes to kidnapping affair.


Now Japan solves territory problem while the neighbors can't mass-mind-control. The time won't continue so long, therefore, Japan hurries.


And I strongly believe Toshiba Corp sometimes pinpoint-mind-controls the World since 1997 and Japan often and positively mass-mind-controls American people maybe by Jcsat-9 and its stations since 2000 for sales.
Toshiba Corp is a big seller of semiconductor and electric power equipments. Toshiba Corp sells the World HDD with Apple's iPod and Flash memory with Apple's iPod Shuffle (1G). Toshiba Corp sells America equipments for new U.S. nuke plant.

Please don't you be cheated. Toshiba Corp didn't win at Lexar Media, Inc v. Toshiba Corp U.S. Mar 23 and 24, 2005 Trial but Toshiba Corp only pretends it can't mind-control the jury and media, and next, it may mind-control the judge on Apr 13, 2005 Trial because Lexar seeks a court injunction stopping the sale of Toshiba products using its flash memory. Lexar Media alleged theft of trade secrets and breach of fiduciary duty claims against Toshiba Corporation, Toshiba America, Inc. and Toshiba America Electronics Corporation on Nov 5, 2002. (Detail at http://www.lexar.com/litigation/ and so on.)

by Seitaro Kanamaru, a Japanese
* My BBS threads in English :
I am an Mind-Control Victim by Toshiba Corp since 1997.
http://www.perc.ca/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=794
* My site in Japanese (This is not smart.)
http://jbbs.livedoor.jp/news/1301/

Anonymous said...

Wow, Mr, Garbo, the discussion's so heated here, well, what I'm gonna say is that "Let by gones be by gones" and lead a good life.

Christina

Johan said...

Dear Mr. Seitaro Kanamaru,

I was shocked by your sensational information. I seriously didn't know anything about about all this. Reading your material made me really scared and I wonder how I can protect myself so I don't become a victim like you.

Anyway, you must be really smart since you could spot that I'm not a real Swede. You have to admit that I do a good job hiding it with my occasional posts in Swedish and modifying my Chinese so it becomes pretty crappy. I also proud myself with my skills using Photoshop to insert this white guy in my pictures. With my super skills I could probably pass any test you set up for me to prove that I'm a Swede, even though I'm not. Just try!

However, what you wrote seems somewhat misplaced in regards to my my post and previous comments. Perhaps you should find another forum for your next revelation? Or mail me some more info and I'll make a special post only for you.

The other sincere comments above are appreciated, though I don't feel like getting involved in this particular discussion.

Johan said...

Hi Christina!

You really don't have to call me Mr. Garbo, call me 佳宝先生. Just kiddin. Call me Johan. That's my real fake Swedish name.

Anonymous said...

With apologies/attribution/paraphrasing of P.J. O'Rourke, it seems the size of the anti-Japanese demonstration was second in size only the size of the queues of people waiting to get visas to visit Japan!

Stefan said...

Hehe, funny guy this Mr. Seitaro! I wonder if he has met with ET as well?
I'm a Swede, also in Japan and I'm following the news with scattered interest.

It is correct though that the Japanese government has failed in educating the Japanese youth about the tragic past. But so has the Chinese governement.
Because of the latest demonstrations, 30 million Japanese youths, who used to think nothing bad about China, has now become hostile.

Anonymous said...

A good article to read:

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-cunningham11apr11,0,2609158.story

Johan said...

That LA Times commentary is written by Philip J. Cunningham. It is discussed in the The Peking Duck blog.

http://pekingduck.org/archives/002335.php

Maybe that is a better place to discuss this issue than my blog.

Anonymous said...

Dear Mr. Garbo,

I suspect you are one of many Japanese Toshiba R&D persons because you (had) read my material.

Now I check you.

I so naturally believe that Ryongchon Explosion, North Korea on Apr 22, 2004 was Japan's 1st after World War II maneuver using a satellite Mbsat or N-Star-C. And Japanese PM Junichiro Koizumi, a Toshiba spy or mind-controlling man, went to N. Korea again on May 22, 2004. Therefore I hate Koizumi very much as a human, although, of course, I hate Toshiba persons. But I believe the Japanese couldn't expect 154 innocent persons including many children were killed on the explosion.
Japanese Diet didn't investigate it while even American Congress investigated Bush's lie with Iraq's WMD (Weapon Mass Destructions). Any Japanese media didn't say it at all or there was no freedom of speech and no justice as human in Japan.
It is right that Chinese and Korean people say Japan is toward militarization. Japanese satellite is an Military Weapon. I want them to reveal to the World that Japanese satellite is an evil Military Weapon. (But I hope that (parts of) Chinese people won't go to the violence to Japanese.)

Koizumi will mind-control UN members with Toshiba Corp to get a seat of UN security council.

United Nation was cheated by Toshiba Corp. In 2003 Toshiba Corp joined United Nations Procurement Division "The Global Compact". But Toshiba Corp does never admit its own criminal faults positively. Toshiba Corp hides too much - Criminals of 300 million yen Affair, Dec 10, 1968 and Corporate Secret Police "Toshiba OogiKai" since 1969, my case and so on.

China's affair "Mitsui&Co part-timer Kunio Nagase, 62, bribed a Chinese official to supply transformer equipments (not main equipments) for Beilungang Thermal Power Plant phase II (Unit 3, 4, 5) in Ningbo, Zhejiang, China" was informed, firstly on Jun 1, 2001, to Japan.
The Chinese official was guilty with 11 years imprisonment on Dec 7, 2000. Kunio Nagase was guilty with 2 years imprisonment and deportation from China and Mitsui&Co was not guilty on Feb 28, 2002.
In Chinese law court they were judged but Toshiba Corp wasn't.
Mitsui&Co didn't speak very much but press-released that Mitsui&Co head office employed him in Jan 1996 in Japan.
Toshiba Corp didn't say anything to the press. While Toshiba Corp supplied 1 transformer equipment in 1997 and 2 transformer equipments in 1998 for the plant.
Nagase can be a Toshiba spy and the real principal can be Toshiba Corp not Mitsui.
Why didn't Chinese investigate and accuse Toshiba Corp ? (My view is absolutely no wrong.)

The explosion including death of 23 persons at Beilungang Thermal Power Plant phase I occured on Mar 10, 1993.
GEC-Alsthom awarded Beilungang Thermal Power Plant phase I (Unit 1, 2) in Ningbo, Zhejiang in 1987 but Mitsui&Co and Toshiba Corp awarded (main equipments of) Beilungang Thermal Power Plant phase II (Unit 3, 4, 5) in Ningbo, Zhejiang in 1995.
And Toshiba Corp supplied 1 transformer equipment in 1989 for the plant. I have thought Toshiba employees had chances to explode. This thought is crazy for a person who doesn't know Toshiba Corp. (I suspect Toshiba persons executed terrorism by radar to Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, Ltd, Japan in 2002.)

Toshiba's Mbsat is so risky in South Korea's sky. Did China stupidly give Toshiba Corp any TV station ?

Anyway Toshiba Corp, noone else, is the craziest criminal in the World.

by Seitaro Kanamaru

Anonymous said...

We all know the Japanese done very inhumane things to all humans, but what have we as Chinese learnt?
Keep exploiting all the poor 800 million Chinese peasants like the old Soong dynasty era and wait for the next imperalist power (the USA ? ) to attack and bully us again?..Blame ourselves the Chinese and people in power who refuse to eradicate the well known poverty in the country side and dont educate the poor children so that they can be exploited as "Migrant workers" when they grow up so that the rest of the 1 million coastal chinese can live well? Blame ourselves and our faulty "dynastic" system. Want to change it or
want to look for a scapegoat?
Heard of the historical classic "The Water Margin"?
It is no different then and now...just a different mask of the corrupt Soong Dynasty.

We have to look hard in the mirror first and recongnise
honestly our own face first.
And it is ugly.

Signing off
A loyal realistic Chinese
Sept 13 2005

Anonymous said...

Just looking at those numbers of who killed who... I think it is terrible what Japanese did in China, but also what Chinese did to themselves, especially during Mao's reign, when millions perished. And still many people are persecuted in China nowadays, until China clears its own actions now, and before, it doesn't have any right to critisize other nations (I also read a similar comment from a Chinese individual, I think he was right).

Anonymous said...

So U mentioned UN said tibet was illegal occupied by China. What do u know about UN, huh? U think UN is representative of the world's justice or something?! Give me a break. yes, Mao did killed many chinese people UNINTENTIONALLY(blieve it or not,up2u!),but it happaned when things got out of his control.( learn more about the Gang of 4).yea, he wasnt a good leader in terms of economy but he was Strong,he was a MAN and he made
China a man rather than a whore that
every1 can f**k. That's why we love him. Im not expecting any support from anywhere,but if u put urself in
the position of a ordinary chinese man like me, u'll understand why these ppl are enraged why they are angry. It's only because of the pain
deep down inside, its the pain u white ppl japanese ppl can never feel. its the mark of humiliation on the world once greatest nation that built the geatest empire, the mark of humiliation ON MY FACE will NEVER EVER fade until china restore his lost honor and respect and even when im lieing in my grave im still a shameful dog if i didnt help my nation to rise again.

To A loyal realistic Chinese:
yea! keep whining, dont stop. Have u ever asked urself what u can do to make our country better? u call urself loyal and u are really just a whiner.a whiner who says everything to suit western viewer's taste and try to make urself look good. U call urself chinese have u ever reminded urself ur responsibilities as a member of this community.plz shut up, try to do something. In the beginning, Mao was just a peasant but he knew his responsibilities for his motherland.
Be a reponsible person stop whining stop insulting the land the nation that gave birth to u.
-a shameful dog

Johan said...

To the latest anonymous coward posting:

Comments like this don't improve the image of Chinese in the eyes of other people. Maybe if you showed other some respect, you will someday get some back. Not today though.

Be a reponsible person and stop making comments that only makes people believe that you are a weird and frustrated person.

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Anonymous said...

Yes, i agree, kill all nips.

Johan said...

Well, I don't agree. I condemn that kind of talk just as much as I condemn the antrocities the Japanese imperial army commited during the second world war.

Shameful.

Get a life.

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Anonymous said...

I am ethnic Chinese, grow up in United States, my wife is Dutch.

I believe that in order to achieve peace and return justice to Asia, Japan as a country needs to be destroyed. I long to see that day all Japanese are killed.

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